omg i am so distressed.
i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.
why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.
HaHa Never a JW,
I like your idea about comparing "proof'...
Moses did the 10 plagues .... the Israelites could see God was behind him..
The GB had 7 conventions in the early 1900's, they arrange hotels for us, God is behind them..
Moses parted the Red Sea, the GB print magazines, what more proof do you need?
(Ridiculous when it is said out loud, hmm?)
bo juel jensen from norway was visiting new york 3 days ago .
he is an apostate activist and a child abuse survivor .. this is the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odluwssd_qy.
Even when I could not discern the exact things being said in the background, just the childishness of this video, with people interrupting, talking over other people, making stupid jokes.... makes it unprofessional, a bit embarrassing and takes away from any message they may be trying to send.
i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
Thx for the quotes Blondie....
when i first began studying in order to "make the truth my own", there were a set of scriptures that perplexed me and motivated me to dig deeper.. the scriptures are regarding the resurrection of the inhabitants of sodom & gomorrah.. see jesus words here - matthew 10:15 - "truly i say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for that city.
" (ezekiel 16:48 / matthew 11:23 / matthew 11:24 / luke 10:12 ).
any time that i brought these scriptures up to jw friends and family they would reply like this "jesus was speaking in hyperbole.. that is why he said it would be more endurable".. i would clarify and show them that it says "will be".
Hi Objective truth,
I think this is what happens when the scales start falling from your eyes....
You start discovering new things, trying to piece them all togethor..
Hang in there,
Cha Ching
are you in 'the truth', or are you only in 'the current understanding'?.
how long will it be before many of the current teachings peculiar to the organization are rejected as old light and relegated to watchtower's dust bin of old light, out-of-print literature to be expunged from future issues of watchtower library cd-rom?.
Was it true that the sun revolved around the earth? or.... Is it true that the earth revolves around the sun?
Was one idea true, until someone became enlightened? or was it ever true? Was it a false idea?
"Galileo's championing of heliocentrism was controversial within his lifetime, when most subscribed to either geocentrism or the Tychonic system. [7] He met with opposition from astronomers, who doubted heliocentrism due to the absence of an observed stellar parallax. [7] The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was false and contrary to scripture, placing works advocating the Copernican system on the index of banned books and forbidding Galileo from advocating heliocentrism. [" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
When is truth, truth? When is false, false? When it becomes "new light"?
i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
I guess the whole "Only the 144,000 have a mediator" because a "covenant" was made with them for a kingdom, always irritated me...
(1 Timothy 2:4-6) . . .whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.
I would go round and round arguing that Jesus had to be the mediator for ALL men..... hours and hours....
and now? does it really matter?
The WT doublespeak can drive you crazy...... you are not allowed to be "logical," right?
Not that I believe them / it any more...
I guess I just like hearing the WT admit it....
i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
Really?
Right now, the view is that only the 'annointed' have a "mediator" of a "new covenant.' Right?
So, I thought when they said "at the end of the thousand years" (on earth.... which is where people are now) there won't be a need for an intermediary... (That means us "earthlings" needed an intermediary before then)
Well, during the 1,000 years, the 144 have been in heaven....
Who is the "mediator" in between that time?
i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
I just looked at the January 2014 WT Study Magazine, Page 16. Pgph 16
I think the WT is finally relenting...
Jeus WAS the "mediator" after all!
16 By the end of Christ’s Thousand
Year Reign, the Messianic Kingdom will
have achieved its purpose. Then Jesus
will hand the Kingdom over to his Father.
(Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.)
There will no longer be a need for an
intermediary between Jehovah and his
earthly children. All of God’s sons in
heaven and his children on earth will be
united with their heavenly Father as part
of his universal family.
15, 16. (a) What thrilling events will take
place during the Thousand Year Reign?
(b) What will be Jesus’ final act as Messianic
King, and what will that mean regarding Jehovah’s
purpose for all of his creation?
omg i am so distressed.
i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.
why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.
This is the theme, correct? "Why opposing God appointed authority is tantamount to opposing God himself"!"
Why not slightly change the end of your talk to not focus on "humans", but focus only on Jesus?
"Today as Christians, we follow Jesus. We should be loyal to the pattern Jesus laid out for humans to follow.
And as Galatians 1:8,9 brings out, we do not want to divert from the ORIGINAL good news that Christ taught. We today, just like in Moses day and the 1 st century need to be able to see proof of God approval when we follow any human's lead.
Jesus is the highest authority appointed by God.
Always look to Jesus' example when choosing which course to take, thus avoid any opposition to God."
(Looking forward to hearing how it goes :-)
i asked a jw why most of them don't partake of the bread and wine at their memorial, and was told that the command was given to the disciples only.. at the end of matthew's gospel, the command is given to the 11 disciples to go out and preach to everyone, so why do those who don't take the bread and wine go out knocking doors preaching?.
surely if only the disciples can take the emblems then only the disciples should preach.. no explanation of where the 144,000 come into it was given.. .
Good question!!!
Why would the "annointed" need "other help"?
(Luke 19:40) . . .But in reply he said: "I tell YOU, If these remained silent, the stones would cry out."
Better yet.....
(Matthew 24:27) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
(Matthew 24:30) . . .And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.. . .
